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This is from the comments from the Halden nuclear incident report with some updated information. I would like to thank Peter for his input into this. The exchange was by far better than the attacks on Nils and myself on the Youtube video i did for my You tube subs. In fact I had to delete some of the responses because of the threatening and abusive nature on that video comments but I still left the ones that did try to offer some valid commentary though. I have the full report in Norwegian and am in the process of translating it. A quote from that report is to be found below. Shaun McGee aka arclight

Here is the exchange between myself and Peter on the topic;

  • This is not worrying at all! Get a grip!
    The release was from a fuel rig withdrawn from the reactor. The release was of insignificant magnitude and moreover it is already over now. The “abnormal” or “very special condition” of the reactor is of no importance whatsoever for anyone outside the reactor. Due to the small power of the Halden core, the the decay heat easily diffuses to the surrounding. It will not boil dry, creating any problems.

    You all have such strong imagination. Use it for something more constructive!

    Comment by Peter | March 7, 2017 |

    • Hi Peter thank you for your comment.. The issue on the article is a described ” .. Bellona is concerned that the reactor core may become unstable by just closing the vents. Hydrogen formation in the reactor core is very serious, as Fukushima showed. .. ” If there is only a problem with the rods which is no longer a problem, then why is the reactor itself having to be vented to stop the build up of hydrogen? Surely the hydrogen shows that nuetron flux is still an issue even though the rods are being cooled? Why are no media discussing this issue except for the Bellona team who only just found out that this problem is ongoing? The locals were promised that this situation would never happen and Nils Bohmer (ex NRPA and nuclear engineer) claims that it could occour again (outside of the October release).. Finally, the EURDEP data in Norway and Sweden was deleted for 2 days in Sweden and one day in Norway (east and west coast but west coast was only deleted for some hours in Feb 20th approx) – winds from the north and west.. This is sourced evidence, qoutes from reliable sources etc .. No imagination about it .. The february release has not been commented on and we get an estimated release (granted low) that might have some effect to health in the local Halden population (probably a risk only for pregnant women and children if they were in a closed environment when the 2 plumes (oct 2016 and Feb 2017) passed through .. It would be good to hear your viewpoint on this aspect of the report .. Many thanks Arclight2011

      Comment by arclight2011part2 | March 7, 2017 | 

      • This is my interpretation of the ongoing events:

        The reactor doesn’t go unstable from a stoppage of the vents. This is clearly wrong.
        There has consequently been no meltdown of the core.
        The missing EURDEP data points in February has no connection whatsoever with the Halden reactor.
        There has been no unexpected neutron flux in the shut down reactor.
        There has been no unusual production of hydrogen in the core.
        There has been no release of radioactivity that is of any health concern.!

        I have seen no credible reports stating otherwise.

        Where the **** does Nils Bohmer get his information? He states: “What that meant was that the IFE had discovered temperature fluctuations in the reactor vessel indicating an increased neutron flux in the core”

        Has IFE actually declared that there was an unwanted neutron flux in the core or is that completely from Nils Bohmers imagination? What is the sourced evidence to this? Who says this?

        Why do you think that there has been hydrogen information? Source to this please?

        Have you expressed your questions to IFE for scrutiny and comments before you publish all this accusations?

        Peter

        Comment by Peter | March 7, 2017 | Edit

      • Thanks for clarifying your interpretation.. Nils Bohmer contacted the NRPA (who revoked the licence of the Halden reactor). Nils worked with the NRPA before joining Bellona as the director. You may have heard that the Late A Yablakov had to help Nils out to stop the Russians putting him in Prison..
        Bellona have many reports on inadequacies to do with technical and managerial issues with the IFE over the years .. I think Nils is a credible source of information and that the NRPA are fairly efficient (in my view) s a nuclear regulator.
        If you have any queries on this I suggest you contact the NRPA like Nils did and thrash it out with them.
        I might also point out that Nils and a colleague were in Tokyo in the first days of the Fukushima nuclear disaster with monitoring equipment to measure the initial releases (as per IAEA regulations post Chernobyl) but his offer was refused because the Japanese Goverment/regulators prefered to estimate releases instead of having real readings (that is my interpretation).. He is a stand up guy..And that is coming from a mostly anti nuclear activist (me) .. Regards Shaun

        Comment by arclight2011part2 | March 7, 2017 | Edit

  • IFE spokesperson has confirmed in email that :

    1) There has been no problems in the core.
    2) There has been no unexpected increase of the neutron flux. Neutron detectors did show an increase but it was due to their characteristics, not due to a real increase of the flux. Other instruments have shown no changes in neutron flux.
    3) There has been no problematic temperatures in the core. It is cooled by natural circulation.
    4) The only problems they have encountered relate to a fuel test rig that had already been extracted from the core.

    IFE is preparing a response to an article by Bellona in Halden newspaper.

    You say that NRPA has revoked the licence of the Halden Reactor. Where do you get this from? I have found no mentioning of this anywhere. In fact IFE are preparing for starting up the reactor again…

    You put your trust in this one person, Nils Bohmer. Well, even if you think he has such an integrity and skill in the field and really is a stand up kind of guy, what would he actually know in this case? He has no authority to make inspections at IFE! He has no video stream from the control room or detector stations at the site! He is just making wild guesses! This is no way to make good conclusions about factual matters on the state of the reactor. You need to go to IFE and NRPA! Stop putting all your faith in this guy. Confront him and ask for evidence for his claims!

    You have a responsibility for what you say and the messages of others that you spread. Act accordingly. Don’t spread post-truth fake news.

    Peter

    Comment by Peter | March 8, 2017 | 

    • Thanks for getting back to me.. I will look forward to hear both the IFE response and counter response from Nils .. As the exchange progresses we will get to the bottom of the situation .. At the moment i am on the fence with this.. IFE have a financial bias and I find it hard to believe that it has taken them this long to respond to the letter in the paper (also on the Bellona site) from Nils .. I am glad that they will be counter responding in the near future and hope that this discussion and sharing of thoughts is going to bring transparency to this situation. I will not admit to post truth news etc until the evidence is in.. you believe one side and i believe the other.. time will tell? Thanks for your work on this.. We make a good team.. Wanna job ? 🙂 regards shaun
      PS I will post another article when the IFE have made their post and when Nils responds to it .. And of course your comment is here so people can follow the timeline of events .. Thxs

      Comment by arclight2011part2 | March 8, 2017 | 

    • HI peter,
      I got the info you requested and it would seem that the IFE are trying to cover their arses;

      …………………………………………………………
      Hi Shaun

      I got my information on what happen at IFE mainly form the report from NRPA made in connection with the investigation after the incident (see attached, sorry only in Norwegian). This report focus on how the operators at Halen-reactor handled to incident.

      Under Chapter 4 in this report you will find the following description of what happend on November 1:

      “Få timer senere samme kveld, mottok Strålevernet en bekymringsmelding fra IFE om at reaktoren var i «en svært spesiell tilstand». IFE ba Strålevernet om tillatelse til å åpne ventilene og starte sirkulasjonen i primærkretsen så snart som mulig. Bakgrunnen for meldingen var temperatur-forskjeller i reaktortanken, indikasjon på økt nøytronfluks i reaktor¬kjernen og fare for hydrogendannelse. For Strålevernet er dette en alvorlig melding,”.

      (My translation: “Few hours later the same evening NRPA received a
      message from IFE the reactor was in a “very special condition”. IFE
      asked NRPA to be allowed to open the valves og to start the
      circulation in the primary cooling circuit as soon as possible. The
      reason for this was that the measurements of temperature-gradients in
      the reactor-tank, indication of raised neutron flux in the reactor
      core and risk for hydrogen production. For NRPA this was a very
      worrying message.”.)

      The fact that NRPA has revoked the licence to operate the Halden-reactor was given to me by Director Per Strand (Department of Nuclear Safety and Environmental Radioactivity in NRPA). He also told me that IFE had to re-apply to get their license back, but could not do so before certain technical issues had been sorted out. IFE has also since 2014 been under supervision by NRPA because shortcomings in safety culture.

      I hope this helps.

      Nils

      …………………………………
      I have the full report in Norwegian and hope to get that up on nuclear-news in the next day or so..
      regards Shaun

      Comment by arclight2011part2 | March 10, 2017 |

    • Lets see how the NRPA deals with this evidence .. The NRPA has the IFE under close supervision and will be reporting on the first quarter report for 2017. The IFE hasnt got there licence back yet.. The report is very interesting and Nils claims of IFE, if anything, do not fully highlight the stupidity of the IFE in dealing with the original problem in Oct/Nov 2016 .. The IAEA have covered up the Feb release from their terminal of EURDEP or by contacting the Swedish and Norwegian monitoring engineers to delete the spikes as NORM imo .. https://europeannewsweekly.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/evidence-for-radiation-release-from-halden-nuclear-reactor-in-norway-into-sweden/
      The emissions are likely to be larger than 25Mbq total and that estimate was only an estimate provided by IFE anyway.

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4 Comments »

  1. Reblogged this on Radiation Free Lakeland and commented:
    Update on the Norwegian “incident”

    Comment by mariannewildart | March 11, 2017 | Reply

  2. Bravo Shaun!

    The SL-1 reactor was much smaller than Halden and still killed people and contaminated the outer environment and even neutron activated the watch of a victim! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halden_Reactor
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL-1

    Lucens was “small” and in a cavern. They supposedly moved the fuel north, but it still discharges tritium from the cavern and is still so radioactive that they don’t allow visitors there! The outside is gated. Its discharges also reached the nearby town during the meltdown. https://miningawareness.wordpress.com/2015/08/31/why-does-nuscale-smr-look-like-a-1964-drawing-of-swiss-lucens-nuclear-reactor-which-suffered-a-major-meltdown-in-1969/

    Many of the small, old, research reactors are open pools with no containment and very dangerous.

    Comment by miningawareness | March 12, 2017 | Reply

  3. […] The IFE were contacted by Peter for their comment on this incident. The initial impression Peter was given was that the Bellona report was inaccurate and claims by the IFE seems to show a concerted effort to minimise the risks that this reactor poses to the public. If a large plume had come from the Halden reactor on the 17th February into Sweden then the ESPOO treaty concerning cross border contamination on radiation may have been broken. This plume went on for some days and seems to have also hit most of southern Norway (east and west) as the wind changed direction. […]

    Pingback by Fuel Error at IFE Halden – The handling of the incident – NRPA report in ENGLISH | Activist news source | March 14, 2017 | Reply


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